"Quantum" Faith (...and Black vs White Jesus)

This is an excerpt from an actual conversation that I had with my best friend. None of this is scripted or whatever. I took the liberty of editing a bit. Mostly it’s just grammatical structure and what not. Oh, and the names were changed. The letter “T” signifies my best friend, and the other one is me. Obviously. Actual additions are made in italics and the color blue. I don’t know if the color blue will show up on the blog (I’m editing this in Word) so I made it italicized as well. I -know- that that transfers. Anyway…after the line is the new(er) part. Btw, -anyone- may feel free to fix anything where I may have been wrong. You may either post it in a comment, or send it to me in an email. Thank you for your time, and God bless…

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T: So I read something someone wrote, and they basically said that they had had an epiphany. That epiphany was that God created evil and let Lucifer reside over it, and that He also created hell as a kingdom for Lucifer because it was His way of still showing His love…and that Lucifer didn't completely fall all the way down to earth. Just half way -.- .............I need your thoughts on this please, cause no one else speaks any sense :P
Rev (sXe): Ok. One: that's kinda difficult. Since God created everything, then it's a good argument to say that he created evil. Personally, I think that there is a balance to everything. It's part of free will. Io...it's not so much that He -created- it (to me), but that He -allowed- it to be. Idk...it starts to look like a chicken and egg scenario. Had to start somewhere. Trufully, idk. What I -do- know is that no one was forced to do anything. Whether God actually created evil or not is a moot point (to me). People always want to blame God for things…when they actually -do- acknowledge His presence. Nope. Not His fault.
Lucifer was one of the three strongest angels in Heaven. He was also beloved of God. Kinda like Judas (note: I’m not saying that God showed Judas particular favor, just that he was a disciple…kinda favor off top, you know?). He was strong enough to convince a third of all of the angels to join him in his rebellion. God didn't -give- him anything. He allowed it to happen, and Lucifer naturally took over being the strongest, and starting the rebellion in the first place. God created Hell as a punishment Matthew 25:41. It states that clearly in the Bible. And Lucifer didn't really -fall- anywhere. We call it that because he "fell from (God's) grace". He was CAST out of Heaven.
When he was cast out of Heaven it is presumed that he tried to take Earth over. Idk. I just think that he was jealous that God had a new creation that had His love, and he wanted to get back at God. Being that he already lost and knows that he can't win, he instead got at Him through his creations. kinda like keying a car to get revenge on the owner. Of course we have more value than a car, and it's so serious that God cursed an animal for the rest of its existence for being party to Lucifer's villainy. Lucifer wasn't supposed to fall -anywhere- specific (I’ve read verses that say that Lucifer is going to end up in Hell. It mentions him being there, but apparently he’s not bound down there yet if he walks around on the Earth (I Peter 5:8). So far, I haven’t noticed anything saying that he was cast straight to Hell to begin with. I could be wrong. Anyone who knows differently, feel free to correct me. Please and thank you.), he was just cast out of Heaven. That's punishment enough. Think about it...you're used to seeing God's face all day every day and enjoying bliss while being the musical leader and enjoying dominion over (presumably) a third of the angels (presumably, cause it's thought that he reigned over the third that he took with him), then you get cast into nothingness. There -was- no Earth as we know it, then. "And the Earth was w/out form, and void; and darkness, was upon the face of the deep" (Gensis 1:2a). So...he was cast out of eternal light into the blackness of space.
-Then-, when he caused man to fall, God punished him again...I think. Idk. I just know that there's no record of God making Hell before that. There was no need. One punishment, one crime. God forgave him, but didn't forget so he wasn't allowed back into Heaven. Well...idk. Maybe he -would- have been had be repented and actually -asked-. I can't say for sure...but, yeah. No Hell before men fell. Not that I can find. So...yeah. Hope that helps a bit??
T: Yea. You said basically what I've been saying to him, but he came back and said that he researched it and that his eyes are wide open..............................sometimes I get real defensive, especially when it's about God. So...I had to step back and say to myself, “Am I arguing out of my own frustration that someone actually has the audacity to say this, or is what I'm saying real?”
Rev (sXe): Researched? As in...the Bible?
T: No. I doubt it. -.- That's the thing with these people, they all talk about research and noone even bothers to open the bible.
Rev (sXe): Cause...no one else was around then. And, I'd -love- to see -those- verses. Man...don't even worry about it. I figured it out when I went through my doubting stage. People who's lives don't mean what they want it to, who aren't as important as they'd like to be, or who don't want to accept the idea of an omniscient higher Being like to think that -they- know the secret truth about God, and all Christians are wrong. One problem...they never even bother to live their lives right!!! I mean...I -know- I'm not wrong. But, if I was, I'd rather be slightly wrong and living a good life, then all right and living messed up. "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved (Romans 10:9 [minus “that”]" says nothing about religion or a certain set of beliefs
T: So, I spoke to someone else about this and they said for me to think about it like God's wrath...so basically what they meant was that God does have it in Him to be dark and evil, and that He created Lucifer to embody that. Basically -.- And that He knew from jump that Lucifer would rebel, so it all kinda fell into place.
Rev (sXe): ...but Lucifer was -beautiful-! Which is why he can still appear as an angel of light. He was created perfect and whole. Just like we were. It was -choice-. Free will. Something that people refuse to acknowledge with their excuses and bs Yeah...He knew it would happen. He knows all. He also knew that Adam would eat from the tree. Again...free will.
People are going to complain no matter what. If it -didn't- go down like that, the same people would complain that “God doesn't trust us, ‘cause if He did He'd give us free will and let us make our own decisions trusting that we'll turn to Him”. That “He's trying to hide something”, or “He's a control freak”.
Man...people are -stupid-! Just don't feed into it, T. Your faith is strong, don't let pseudo-intellectuals who wouldn't know a verse if it fell on them, and who haven't been inside of a church since they were last made to, try to dictate -your- faith for you. "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12c). But...the start is salvation, not posturing. Yah mean?? :P
It's like poor people trying to tell you how to get rich when you're already rich. Why listen?? -Not- trying to discourage you from asking me q's. -Very- glad that you did. I -love- theological and intellectual discussions. Been too long since I had one. Just tryin to tell you that it doesn't matter who's smarter between you and the person that you are talking to (though I'm sure you are), we're supposed to approach God as children, anyway.
T: Not all all hun! Lol, please! Me be caught up in all that nonsense? No way! I am loyal to God to the BONE! Real talk
Rev (sXe): Oh. Idk...I kinda had flash backs. I had a phase when I was all deep into that religious conspiracy stuff like Immortal Technique saying that Mary Magdalene had Jesus’ children (didn't think that part was true, but I was listenin to people who did) and the Apocrypha and all that. Eventually I -got- the Apocrypha. Guess what? It's like...the same as the Bible :P (note: It’s the same language style) But the people who read that whole thing religiously don't read the Bible. I finally pulled my head out of my butt and moved on from that. So...I was kinda talkin to younger me, not doubting you :P
T: I see lol. I actually have an awesome edition of the bible...an archaeological/historical one so it has so many references and notes...I read up on that in there. I've never been one to be caught up in conspiracies...I DO realise that there are things we need to know so we don't get brainwashed and that, but I draw the line and just walk with/by/for my faith. Knowledge is a wicked thing oft times. (btw…that whole “Ignorance is bliss” thing that people say isn’t a complete quote. The -whole- quote is “When Ignorance is bliss, ‘tis folly to be wise – Thomas Gray's, "Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College" (1742)) You and I both know that. And the more you know, the more you will be held accountable for. I forgot the book that's from- do you remember?
Rev (sXe): YES!!! :P
T: can't even remember if it's N or OT :p (New or Old Testament). I think it's something Paul said....
Rev (sXe): "to whom much is given, much is required", is the exact syntax of the KJV.
T: what book?
Rev (sXe): Luke 12:48
T: you know, the thing with me...although I have read aLOT, I don't know my Bible passage for passage and all that. And I really should. I get lazy to be honest.
Rev (sXe): I don't either. I just googled it ;) I know a lot, but I can't keep the chapter, verse, and books right. It helps that I'm almost always right with the words and wording. So...it generally pops up on the first try. You don't have to have the passage if it's in your heart. It -helps- when talking to other people, but you don't need chapter and verse number IMHO. If they're smart, they'll check up on you to make sure that you're right, anyway.
T: Awww, my exact sentiment :) Thank you for validating me/that :p So yah.
Rev (sXe): Not me, it's the Bible :P Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word in all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so"
T: “I know a lot, but I can't keep the chapter, verse, and books right Rev (sXe): it helps that I’m almost always right with the words and wording. So...it generally pops up on the first try. You don't have to have the passage if it's in your heart. It -helps- when talking to other people, but you don't need chapter and verse number IMHO”
T: that's what I meant
Rev (sXe): Oh. Gotcha

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“18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” (Romans 1:18-25)
Breakdown: God is mad at anyone who would twist the truth, or say that it is wrong, because everything that anyone needs to know is already known to them. God showed it to them. Even the things that you can’t see, you in essence -can- because He explained the whole thing to you -just- to make sure that you wouldn’t have an excuse. But, when people see God in life, they insist on saying that it’s something else. They aren’t even thankful, they just think it’s them (man) who is all and, in their foolishness, their error is compounded into wickedness. Though they thought themselves to be wise, they instead became fools and changed the glory (Praise, majesty, pride. Pride as in “what it is that makes Him so great and different from us”) of God into something that they could better understand like images of men or animals.
Does that sound familiar? It should. Ever heard of a “Jesus piece”, or seen a “depiction” of Christ? First off, Jesus didn’t even look good. “He hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him” (Isaiah 53:2b). Second: He -definitely- wasn’t Caucasian. There’s a bit of debate about what he was and wasn’t. I don’t -care- what race or color my Lord was. Why does it matter? What does it change?? Anyway…idk. I mean…the hair thing, too. He probably -did- have long hair is He was traveling all the time with nothing more than the clothes on His back. I don’t think He was particularly worried about “Hey, barber? A little off the top and sides, please. I have to look good for their depictions and pre-conceived notions of/about me. Thanks” This is just one of my pet peeves. Let it go, man. Save some people from burning in Hell. Don’t worry about how much melanin the Son of God had, or whether or not his tan was beyond the power of SPF. *smh* anyway…I just wanted to put my little plug there because the convo was about the same thing, believe it or not. That whole thing about Jesus having kids is the product of an overactive imagination (IMO), and our -insane- need to have to understand the unfathomable or, barring that, mar the image of perfection that we cannot understand being of sin and born to/in it. Look…He was perfect. He still is. We don’t understand Him. We know as much as we need to. We have enough on our hands just trying to figure out His Will for us, and staying in it. You’ve got better things to do. Seriously. If you’re bored, go soul-winning. That one doesn’t get old. Why, you say? Because you never run out of people to lead to the Lord. If you do? Move!
…I’m not saying that I walk around slaying people with the Spirit (who came -up- with the idea of the Spirit as a weapon, anyway?? Did a Bible search. Didn’t find it. I find it insulting that “the comforter” is referred to in weaponized terms. Seriously, people! Stop messing it up for the -rest- of us!!), I’m also not trying to quantify -everything- having to do with God. There’s some things that I don’t understand. -Great-! Yes, -great-! I don’t want to be responsible for that knowledge, anyway. True story.
Anway…off my soap box. Stay -in- the Will of God, and -out- of His business just cause you’re bored and don’t understand. Just say that you don’t understand. It happens. There is an entire -type- of science that is dedicated to uncertainties and chance/probability. It’s called “quantum”. So…let’s try having a little “quantum” faith, huh? Yeah.